EnTech: Early look at Windows 10 on the new Retina MacBook says it runs better than OS X

Early look at Windows 10 on the new Retina MacBook says it runs better than OS X

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One of the first people to try Windows 10 on the new Retina MacBook says that it actually runs more smoothly than OS X. The comment was made by Computer Science major Alex King, who tried upgrading his Boot Camp installation of Windows 8.1 to the preview of Windows 10.
Here’s the real kicker: it’s fast. It’s smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It’s unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn’t completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It’s remarkable, and it makes me believe in the 12-inch MacBook more than ever before.
If you’re fortunate enough to have taken delivery of your own Retina MacBook and want to try the experiment for yourself, be prepared for a few glitches along the way. King said that not all of the Boot Camp drivers automatically installed, there’s no Bluetooth support and some Windows apps (like Steam) look blurry because they don’t support the full resolution of the Retina display. But overall, the experience sounds like a good one.
If you’re still not sure whether you’re the target market for the new lower-powered, ultra-portable machine, you can check out our own in-depth review and one-month-in video of just what it can and can’t do.
12-inch MacBook month review: A great new Mac if you manage your expectations (Video)
12-inch MacBook month review: A great new Mac if you manage your expectations (Video)
Review: Can you actually use the new 12-inch MacBook for work?
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48 Responses to “Early look at Windows 10 on the new Retina MacBook says it runs better than OS X”

  1. Richard Young (@RichardYoung) says: Smoother cosmetic animations… but no bluetooth and blurry apps. Ye-es. Sounds like a good trade-off…
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  2. Milorad Ivović says: Windows has always had a honeymoon period after a fresh install. Who doesn’t love that fresh windows feeling? Install Office and give it a month.
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    • Gary Dauphin says: Mac OS is sorta the same way…. especially if you rely on a lot of 3rd party add on utilities.
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      • Milorad Ivović says: There’s a major difference between them, and that’s the registry. OSX being born of unix has no such beast. In every version of windows since Windows95 the registry has been a double-edged sword. The registry allows for fabulous corporate features like a roaming user profile, and very granular desktop permissions for every kind of user-class you can think of… but at the same time, the ever-expanding registry bloat makes windows incrementally slower over time.
        3rd party addons can be uninstalled. Applications can be removed… but the registry is rarely cleaned up properly upon application removal, and even then the size of the database doesn’t tend to shrink. When tons and tons of keys are added to the registry (eg, when Office is installed) Windows gets noticeably more sluggish, because the registry becomes slower to traverse for *everything* installed.
        Even when Office isn’t actually running, the registry has still ballooned as a result of its installation, and therefore any program asking windows for its own settings has to wait just a little bit longer.
        For the most part, if you terminate extra processes in OSX, performance will improve, but in windows you have to make the registry smaller, and the only practical way of doing that is a fresh installation.
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      • Johannes Vogel says: @Milorad Ivović: That’s actually a common misconception and not true. The registry is sorted hierarchically as a tree and therefore super-fast regardless of how many keys are stored in there. The only things that *could* make the registry slower is more hierarchies, which doesn’t happen to a extend that would actually matter.
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      • charilaosmulder says: Which OS doesn’t get slow by installing a lot of 3rd party add ons? Especially when downloaded from outside a trusted software store like the app store.
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  3. Luis Alejandro Masanti says: In the old day we have the Wintel (Windows+Intel) products… Now, we are going to have the Winple (Windows+Apple) products!
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    • observer1959 says: While I get what you’re saying, Intel doesn’t sell hardware, they make chips and their chip is in Apple computers so it’s still a Wintel machine if you load Windows on it.
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  4. Michael Superczynski says: It’s still Windows and it looks like crap.
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    • fofer says: Lemme guess, you haven’t seen nor tried Windows 10 (or 8.1) yet.
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      • observer1959 says: I haven’t tried Windows 10 but I’ve heard great things about it. I have however tried Windows 8.1 and it sucks. I prefer Windows 7.
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  5. Miroslav Mirek Bujna (@miroslavbujna) says: We all know this story. It runs better for like a… ehm… week? I’m a Mac OS X on a MacBook for more than 5 years now and I did never regret my choice, it was one of the best choices in my life.
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    • Phillip Haydon (@philliphaydon) says: Every release OSX get’s slower. I have a 2012 MBP/r and Yosemite is pretty damn sluggish now, I’ve literally stopped using my MBP/r since OSX is unstable and sluggish.
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      • Isiah Johnson says: Really? Because my MacBook mid 2010 is faster than ever. Yosemite on my Mac is second to Snow Leopard in terms performance.
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      • ✨♦dallas♦✨ (@internetnun) says: My early 2011 MBP with a user upgraded SSD + Bluetooth/WIFI Card and Yosemite works literally better than it did when I purchased it 3-4 years ago. Heavy daily usage and not a single issue with anything ever.
        Liked by 5 people
      • paulywalnuts23 says: I will take your MBP off you if you are just going to let it sit.
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      • Andrew Messenger says: Really? Because my experience with a 2010 MacBook Pro has been fantastic with Yosemite.
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      • incredibilistic says: I see your 2012 MBP/r with Yosemite and raise you an Early 2008 that runs Yosemite like a champ.
        I concede that it’s not all 100% hugs and roses â€" like the battery, even a brand new one, can’t keep the system running for more than 45 minutes before dying. Although I can text from iMessage I don’t have AirDrop or Handoff. Otherwise my 17″ MBP runs beautifully.
        I keep my expectations in check but even with the handful of snags I face a couple times per month I still prefer OS X over ANY iteration of Windows.
        Exposé, Spaces, Launch Pad, Spotlight, the Dock, the super-smooth two-finger scrolling, navigation and pinch-to-zoom action of Safari â€" also Safari’s tabs view â€" the built-in Dictionary, tabs in Finder, the elegance of the icons, consistent aesthetics across all native apps, the translucency; I could go on and on about how many features OS X has that even Windows 10 doesn’t have that just make OS X a better operating system. Period.
        I’m not the least bit impressed with Windows 10, more specifically the color palette that’s garish and loud as well as the butt-ugly icons for both “modern apps” and traditional apps. And those folder icons…yuck!!!
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      • darwiniandude says: When you did the last update, you left the FileVault box ticked. Turn it off! Apple was stupid to leave that box checked by default.
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      • darwiniandude says: I have a Mid 2007 iMac with SSD, and a notebook HDD placed in a IDE DVD bay converter to replace the useless optical drive. It flies. Buy your machine an SSD.
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  6. Ben Dodson (@bendodson) says: A large part of the Steam interface is blurry on the Macbook running OS X as they haven’t updated it for Retina displays â€" not just a Windows issue.
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  7. 311sie says: without benchmarks/data behind his claim it’s just an opinion. On the other hand, MS seems to be really getting their stuff together as of lately so I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out ot be accurate.
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  8. PMZanetti says: There is no denying that both the Retina iMac and now the Retina MacBook have serious issues with smooth animation in OS X. It is really bothersome. I hope 10.11 addresses it.
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    • herewegoagain7 says: My baseline 5k iMac has no issues with animation at all. Perhaps some people need to learn how to do a fresh OSX install. It’s not that difficult.
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      • AnxiousChild says: perhaps, your eye doesn’t perceive 25 frames per second…
        you think we haven’t done fresh installs ? :D :D
        AND even IF fresh install would make things OKAY ……you think it’s okay for general population like working people who care ’bout different stuff to do this every time they upgrade their OS X?
        You gotta be shittin’ me mate, it’s supposed to work flawlessly after upgrading directly from Mac App Store, no more work should be needed. period.
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  9. David Ferguson (@jdfwarrior) says: Computer Science Major.. as in.. this chap is still in school? We’re now making news of a college kid’s opinion of how something works after a fresh install. I’m going to agree with a lot of the other comments. Windows works great after an install. After a short period, it returns to its regular, old sluggish self. Oh and wait, wait, which of the 7 versions of Windows 10 was this? Was it starter, pro, ultimate, ultimate extreme, ultimate extreme awesome, ultimate platinum, or ultimate platinum master?
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    • Jacques Alesi (@_alesi_) says: “for consumers, they will only truly see two editions for PCs: Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro”, but nice try…
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      • David Ferguson (@jdfwarrior) says: Pro is considered to be enterprise/corporate. In my profession, I’ll probably touch them all at some point but I do appreciate your attempt to make me look like a fool and failing.
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    • observer1959 says: Probably Windows Awesome Omnipotent Pro Extreme.
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    • Anders Lund says: “Windows works great after an install. After a short period, it returns to its regular, old sluggish self.”
      Whatever you’re doing to your Windows installs, do something different.
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      • darwiniandude says: Windows is great as long as you don’t install any software. Or you are a very knowledgable power user.
        Much windows software is coded with little respect for the system. The developer does whatever the hell they want. The installer explodes files all over the system, bloats the registry. The registry grows over time and pretty much any application can spew all over it. It’s an exceptionally different design from OS X having an app bundle in /Applications, a human readable plist preference file in ~/Library/Preferences and any other data require located in ~/Library/Application Support/App Name.
        I support both platforms and troubleshoot for many users, the holes that otherwise intelligent people dig themselves into whilst using Microsoft Windows simply boggle the mind.
        Or simple upgrades: Buy a new computer. On Mac, keep your programs and settings and files. On windows, keep your files, reload all your software.
        Need to wipe for a fresh start? When you recover a windows machine it goes back to the day you bought it. No updates. Years later it might take a day or two to fully update a Windows 7 machine to the current level. Internet recovery on a Mac? Comes back to the current version of the OS with all updates done.
        Microsoft need to fix some underlying foundation issues before I would use a windows machine as my primary computer again.
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      • David Ferguson (@jdfwarrior) says: Do something different? Lol, dude, I assure you, over the years I spent way more time than I care to admit streamlining the crap out of windows installations. Custom installs, strip down everything that isn’t absolutely necessary, turn off all unnecessary services, only have required things at startup, etc. No matter what is done, it always happens.
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  10. Rhison Sapam says: What about the LAN sharing problem..??? Has it been fixed..???
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  11. Cristian Moisei says: When I tried it it ran like shit.
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    • observer1959 says: Wouldn’t that be ran like diarrhea?
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  12. kevinxucs says: Geez, did he mention battery life?
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    • observer1959 says: It didn’t run long enough for him to check.
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  13. Danny Dudek (@dannysapples) says: I always thought MS should aim to make the best OS for any PC. including Macs. Get all the drivers and build them in. Make install Windows on a mac a breeze and no-brainer. Apple doesn’t have to lose for Microsoft to win….
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  14. Coolnalu says: “unless you have a lot going on”. pointless review. and i have made a pointless comment.
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  15. Rich Davis (@RichDavis9) says: I have to find a reason to run Windows, and so far I haven’t. There are apps that I run on OS X that simply aren’t available on Windows and the apps that do something similar I don’t want because the UI of the apps suck and in order to do the same thing, I have to use 3rd party plug-ins and play around with a antiquated setup which is not a pleasant experience. I’ll stick with OS X, it runs just fine.
    If you have OS X and it’s running sluggish, maybe you need to clean up a bunch of cached files. I ran Clean My Mac 3 and it did wonders and it sped things up.
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    • observer1959 says: Most the time I find when Mac OS X is running sluggish, it’s because operating systems have been installed on top of operating systems instead of doing a clean install.
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  16. Gary Dauphin says: While Alex’s review and opinion are appreciated and well thought out, it is rather subjective other than a few general FPS tests. And as Microsoft starts filling out features in the preview software (No ‘History’ feature in the Web browser?), surely that will add some bulk to Windows 10.
    That being said, I wish Apple would quit focusing on globbing on more features onto OS X and put some of that engineering talent on two things: 1) Known bugs that need to get fixed, and 2) Fine tuning and speed ups.
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  17. mailtochristian says: Ok guys, we really need to stop with the myth of clean install. It can’t be that we need to reinstall from scratch every new update. It sucks. Mac OS X is supposed to take care of it, instead after a couple of months use, OS X gets sluggish and unreliable. For instance: no chance to open files saved in iCloud Drive. So what, fresh install again? The third in 2015? REALLY?!
    Now, if I do something wrong, you let me know cuz I’m sick of it. I never thought to really enjoy going back to work on windows. But I really enjoy the office functionality and the system reliability (say finder vs. win explorer, etc..)
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  18. darwiniandude says: Windows does not support Retina displays like OS X does.
    What resolution was he running at? If he picked 1440×900 (obvious choice, only selectable resolution higher than the paltry 1366×768 my 11″ has) then that poor integrated GPU is rendering at 2880×1800, rescaling down to 2304×1440. That HAS to have a performance hit.
    Install something like SwitchResX and run natively at 2304×1440: less work for GPU, more space. This is how windows will be running anyway.
    I’m sure OS XI will be better optimised for this beastie. (And no, it won’t be called that)
    I badly want this machine. It’s 100% silent. Like my SSD upgraded G4 Cube. It feels fast and snappy. Unfortunately by day job requires near constant connection of thunderbolt multi drive enclosure, which is entirely impossible even with adapters. Doh.
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  19. telmoej2 says: I don’t have ANY Mission Control issues on my Retina MBP 13″. I don’t know what you are talking about.
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  20. Gautam Divekar (@GautamDMan) says: I like how people point to registry entries being left behind in old version of windows.. but dont talk about the fact that 32 bit programs will be installed in a virtual machine isolated .. and registry being made better by snipping application state entries after install and uninstall..
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